A BNP councillor – Value for money?

If you’ve read this blog for a while you will know by now that I am no fan of the BNP.

Don’t get me wrong I would fight for their right to exist and for your right to vote for them. That is what makes our country great, a democracy built on the principles of free speech.

The content of this article is my opinion, you may agree or disagree, that your choice. I am not saying I am right in this piece either, it’s just my belief. If you want to post an opposing stance, great go for it.

Great thing about a comment article is that it doesn’t have to be balanced. The balance needs to be provided by you the reader.

After a recent short lived dalliance with the Liberal Democrats, I now find myself slap bang in the middle of a political wilderness. No party based on the performance in the council chamber is floating my boat. The impact of this, at a local level, is that I often break out in a cold sweat in at the thought of getting into the polling booth, pencil poised and at a loss who’s box to tick.

I have been following local politics for years and I can’t ever remember feeling so insecure in my political beliefs.

It’s like being at a party. When the buffet opens there is so much choice your mouth waters in anticipation, that is until you pick a vol-au- vant up and you realise that you don’t like the filling. Or the Victoria sponge has butter cream in it and you can’t have any because you are allergic to it. Or the trifle has loads of sherry in and you are a recovering alcoholic!

That’s where I’m at politically I’m afraid, each way I turn there is something that does not quite sit right with me.

Now the BNP are like a sandwich at that buffet, the problem is they have a Marmite filling and you know, you either love it or hate it. Thank God there are far more people can’t stand Marmite than those who love it.

The BNP claim around £100,000 collectively in allowances per year from us the council tax payers of Stoke-on-Trent. The have 2 chairs positions and 2 vice chairs ans sit on various committees [apart from David Marfleet who doesn't sit on a single committee], they have good attendance at full council [apart from Melanie Baddeley with some 69%], from what we are led to believe they work hard in their wards.

So why am I so against them you may well ask? Well I have to be honest and say it isn’t what they do in their wards it’s more what they don’t say in the council chamber.

All 60 ward councillors have a fairly decent reputation for getting through the case load at ward level.

Councillors Like Mick Salih firmly believe that ward work must come first, but by God when he gets into that chamber or sits on the Scrutiny Management Committee he’s like a dog with a bone. When he has hold of something he just doesn’t let go! And it isn’t all negative either. When he opposes there is always a structured reason for it. Take the new position of the paid Independent chair of the NSRP. He opposes it, he has called it in, hit out at officers for advertising the position before the call in was exhausted and all the way along he has said that he opposes it because he feels that the chair should be the political leader of our council.

Now the BNP don’t contribute at all. Alby & Ellie have taken over £32,000 in allowances and I honestly can not remember the last time either of them spoke at full council whether that is to support or oppose an issue. I have yet to hear them put anything forward as an alternative. They did not speak out about Chris Harman’s pay off, they had no opinion on councillors not being informed of key decisions before the press. They did not support or oppose the 243 redundancies that the council are about to finalise. They have simply just sat there and had their attendance mark and then left as early as they could.

It is not good enough. The people that they represent deserve better. Don’t they have a duty to try and improve the City as well as serve their wards? Are they not obligated to put fresh policy ideas and initiatives forward. Isn’t being pro-active the best way of trying to win more support?

The last time I can honestly remember them putting something before the chamber was when a couple of years ago when they opposed the budget. Their main objection was the translation service that the council provides, yet they completely forgot/ignored the fact that translation covers signing services for the deaf and CD’s etc for the blind.

We are coming up to an election year and I want to see all parties putting their manifesto before the people of this city. We should judge parties on what they will do to improve the city and front-line services. If any party fails to lay their policies before the electorate, do they really deserve our vote.

Let’s see every party campaigning hard to win our support. Let them earn our vote. Above all let’s see honest and informative election claims.

I hope that the BNP in this city do not stoop to the level displayed in Barking where the leaflets they put out claiming that the council were housing and paying African immigrants to live in a specific area. This was found out to be a blatant lie!

Let us not see mis-leading claims made on TV by high ranking Stoke BNP officers claiming to have provided CCTV to combat anti-social behaviour when in fact it was down to the dedication of normal residents.

If any party, especially the BNP, want to win our support let it be by fair methods not foul.

If the BNP want to continue this tactic of non-committal silence within our chamber then let them be exposed for it. A BNP councillor may be willing to provide luncheon clubs, dog walking and gardening services for the elderly but there is more to representing the WHOLE community and indeed the city at large.

Each political group on our council should submit a mission and vision statement for the city so that we can see how good their intentions are.

If they can not be bothered to share their aspirations with us then I ask you honestly ““ will they be good value for money and more importantly should they be allowed to get away with it?

BNP take note, we will be watching and listening..

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About Tony Walley

I was Abbey Hulton born and bred, now live in Meir Hay. I'm married to Nita, we have 2 kids Tom 19 & Amy 17. I'm the Managing Director of a local aluminium stockist. I'm also a radio presenter and presented sport on radio for a number of years, more recently for Focal Radio. It was on Focal that I got the chance to present a programme of my favourite music genre which is Soul & Smooth Jazz. The programme was really popular and attracted overseas listeners online. Look out for our new venture www.6towns.co.uk - Community Radio for the good folk of the 6 Towns! I was the original creator of the blog Pits'n'Pots which gained some credibility when Mike Rawlins joined the site and has now blossomed into this site. I love sport particularly Golf & Tennis. I packed up playing football some years ago when I started picking up lot's of fines for bookings from late tackles! I play golf at Leek Golf Club and Tennis at Draycott Sports Centre.

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  • Anonymous

    well I’ve got to say it, youv’e found a new way of getting rid of your posters.

  • Anonymous

    In North west Leicestershire BNP councillors take less in expenses than any other Councillor (they refused an increase last year and stay on the previous years rate) They have the best party attendence of all parties. Cllrs meller and Partner attend many more meetings than they have too and speak at most council meetings putting forward sensible motions which the others fail to support even when its in the best interests of the local people.

  • Tony Walley

    Firstly I would like to ask for some patience from all readers/posters/contributors. This has been a massive job for Mike & the Team [not me!] and it will take some time to get everything in place. Please try and support our team instead of knocking and being negative. Remember Rome wasn’t built in a day. I believe with your help and support we will get there….

  • Anonymous

    sorry I,ve tried to sort this site out but have not got a degree in computer science.
    Will go to the Sentinel website untill you sort this garbage out.
    Maybe the bright spark who put this together can explain it to us.

  • Tony Walley

    Well it is good to read that BNP councillors do contribute to the debate and put ideas and motions forward in the chambers of Leicestershire but I am only being honest here. 2 contributions in 9.5 hrs of council debate is really not good enough….

  • Anonymous

    Have tried again to post on this site but it is so mixed up going to the sentinel.

  • Anonymous

    just remember B.N.P. councillors are new to this and are watching and learning, they are not thier scratching their butts (first priority is to look after the ward that voted them in, the old parties have had years to sort problems out, they are up against the old parties which are well established, and have no shortage of funding from big businesses here and abroad to the Unions funding of the opposite side of the debate. As the British National Party is no accepting ethnic members and candidates, they will have a far larger skills and financial base, i`m very sure the near future will see a change for the good of the B.N.P.

  • Jimmy

    In your piece you say that ‘We should judge parties on what they will do to improve the city and front-line services’ I take it from this you will be voting BNP, as there is no question that they have the best policies on law, education, immigration and benefits that will bring this country away from its undoubted path towards becoming anorther part of the third world.
    The only thing that is slowing the BNP’s rise towards power is the constant racism slurs not their first class manifesto.
    I will be voting BNP for the first time come the next election in which I have very little doubt that their current momentum will secure them a handfull of seats and my vote will continue to go their way untill a pary from the political elite wake up and put the foundations of this country first!!! (instead of every tom, dick and harry from around the world FACT:£193m in foreign aid to countrys such as sri lanka, as to a pittyfull £1m for the people of this countrys recent flood disasters)
    p.s. Goodbye to Cadbury’s anorther part of britains great institution and here’s to anorther few thousand heading for the dole queues MERRY XMAS!!!

  • Guest

    Nick Griffiths is the best thing to happen to the UK in recent years. Many Britains do not beleive in many politically elite destructive habits centering on the UK. May Nich Griffith grow & grow in goodness & power. Free speech – post this comment.

  • Mike Rawlins

    OK so rather than posting anonymously why not start by putting your name where it asks you so we know who you are. Then maybe elaborate on what you are struggling with so we can help you..

  • Mike Rawlins

    [quote=Guest]Free speech – post this comment.[/quote]

    With pleasure….

  • Guest

    Why the nosey parker questions,i.e. name, where posting from when one wants to contribute?

    If one doesn’t wish to submit to this leftie driven 1984 impudent questioning will it be possible to post under ‘Guest’?

  • Guest

    Firstly, I have friends who live in Thurrock who say that the BNP councillor there is very hard working and a pleasant person. Also remember that if a BNP councillor is in the minority the other parties will often ‘gang up’ as it were and give them less time to speak – believe me, it happens!

    Secondly, I will echo some comments above, I will be changing my vote to BNP at the election as I find their honesty a breath of fresh air after all the lies and hypocricy of Labour and the rest.

  • Mike Rawlins

    You have lost me..

    You have posted under ‘guest’ so I’m not sure of the relevance of the comment. If you can elaborate maybe we can help.

  • Mike Rawlins

    Thanks for the positive feedback..

  • Nigel

    Strange, it seems all these BNP supporters “have friends in… (insert town)” and they are voting for them “for the first time”.

  • Pooter

    I apologise, frustration borne out of not being able to register despite numerous attempts. I do accept that there’s going to be a few tweaks, as I imagine is the case with all new sites.

    I know you have a separate thread for comments/suggestions regarding the site but as I’m not yet sure if they’d get through I’ll post them here.

    My main concern is that the way it’s looking this site will be subject to heavy control/censorship from above which was not the case on the old site where we largely moderated ourselves. It was this that made it (the old site) such a success.

    “Please feel free to join in the discussions on the site but please remember, racist & homophobic comments will not be tolerated nor will personal attacks, libellous, defamatory or abusive comments.”

    I do hope my fears for this new site with it’s new regime are unfounded.

    If you feel this post would be better moved to the comments on the new site thread please feel free to move it.

  • Pooter

    Good ole’ “Nich Griffith”

    Plaid Cymru’s certainly going to be a force to be reckoned with given this level of support here in England!!!

  • Potteye

    SOT City Council Expenses List for 2008/9

    1

    ADRIAN KNAPPER (LABOUR)
    £2,368.85

    2

    ROSS IRVING (CON)
    £1,433.26

    3

    JEAN EDWARDS (LABOUR)
    £1,205.00

    4

    KIERAN CLARKE (LIB DEM)
    £774.34

    5

    PETER KENT BAGULEY (PEOPLE PARTY)
    £698.91

    6

    ELLIE WALKER (BNP)
    £626.18

    7

    JOY GARNER (LABOUR)
    £565.52

    8

    IAN MITCHELL (CITY INDY)
    £560.67

    9

    BRIAN WARD (CITY INDY)
    £494..98

    10

    MARK MEREDITH (LABOUR)
    £475.27

  • Potteye

    TOP TEN Councillors pay for 2008/9 (EXCLUDING THE EXPENSES)

    1

    MARK MEREDITH (LABOUR)
    £80,147.20

    2

    JOY GARNER (LABOUR)
    £26,021.08

    3

    ABLY WALKER (BNP)
    £21, 576.58

    4

    JEAN BOWERS (LIB DEM)
    £20,611.18

    5

    ROGER IBBS (?)
    £20,370.64

    6

    ROSS IRVING (CON)
    £18,854.51

    7=

    JOAN BELL (LABOUR)
    £18,128.70

    7=

    ADRIAN KNAPPER (LABOUR)
    £18,128.70

    7=

    HAZEL LYTH (CON)
    £18,128.70

    10

    DEBRA GRATTON (LABOUR)
    £17,876.54

    NB: 13 COUNCILLORS EARNED JUST £9,159,69

  • Pooter

    Tony you’ll get there when you assert yourself (do at least try?) and point out that the old P&P flourished simply because you always had a very light hand on the Tiller.

    Who made the old place so vibrant and addictive?

    Barnsey, Pondo, Warren, Gary Elsby, Terry Turbo, et al. Where are they?

    Tony, you’ve got to get off your arse and be a bit assertive here or it’s dead on it’s feet. For goodness sake kill the ‘your post is awaiting moderation’ NOW!

    I mean, Moderated. By bloody who?

  • Guest

    [quote=Nigel]Strange, it seems all these BNP supporters “have friends in… (insert town)” and they are voting for them “for the first time”.[/quote]

    I think it’s called reading the policies and making up your own mind – you are allowed to change your mind and not be led like a little sheep which diehard liblabcon supporters continue to do.

  • Pooter

    Barnsey – thanks for taking the trouble to dig up the figures and post that – really.

  • Mike Rawlins

    It is Sunday and so far we have had more comments today than last Sunday…

  • Pooter

    Don’t rest on whatever laurels you might be seduced into thinking you have.

    Nothing is done and dusted with this new site.

    I note you appear to be against all forms of prejudice:

    Just to confirm that, would you care to amend your (hey!)signature from:

    ‘Remember: Britain invented time zones, so that means the French sit down to lunch when we tell them it is 1 O’clock and that is what makes us Great.” (THEY DON’T)

    To: ‘Remember: Britain invented time zones, so that means the Pakistanis, the people of the Indian sub continent, Asians in general, sit down to lunch when we tell them it is 1 O’clock and that is what makes us Great.”

    But you daren’t dare you?

  • Mike Rawlins

    Pooter Pooter Pooter,

    I have far better things to be doing that listening to you rambling on because you have decided that you don’t like the new site.

    Well I’m afraid to say, that’s life, we knew that some people may not like the site some would just accept it and get on with it and some would like it.

    My signature is there for testing purposes, as and when I feel like it I will delete it or change it.

    Of course person of your superior wit and intellect will be able to create their own site and have it moderated exactly and they want.

  • Pooter

    “My signature is there for testing purposes, as and when I feel like it I will delete it or change it.”

    Might not agree with it Mike but would argue that you have the right to post your insulting, bigoted opinion of the French, our nearest European Neighbours.

    I’d argue that on the ‘all inclusive, non prejudiced’ Leftie/lib site you seem hell-bent on turning it into others should have the opportunity to challenge?

    So: just to clarify: it’s ok to hit the French with ignorant, bigoted Comments.

    Er, any other European countries included on your OK list too – Irish? Poles? Germans?

    Just to get it right. But no criticism, however relevant or constructive whatsoever, of any third world/ex colonial country then?

    Get Tone back in right away, you haven’t got a clue as what being a Moderator is.

  • Pooter

    Yeah! Does seem a bit strange!

  • Craig Pond

    Here’s some more figures for you. 11 council officers
    earn between £80,001 and £90,000, so at the very least they cost us £880,000.
    All 60 councillors cost combined, £899,000. It isn’t
    the councillors that cost us, it’s these greedy officers.

    Switzerland looks set to impose a ban on the building of minarets on mosques. Glad to see there’s still commonsense amongst european natives.

  • Pooter

    [quote=Pooter]“My signature is there for testing purposes, as and when I feel like it I will delete it or change it.”

    Might not agree with it Mike but would argue that you have the right to post your insulting, bigoted opinion of the French, our nearest European Neighbours.

    I’d argue that on the ‘all inclusive, non prejudiced’ Leftie/lib site you seem hell-bent on turning it into others should have the opportunity to challenge?

    So: just to clarify: it’s ok to hit the French with ignorant, bigoted Comments.

    Er, any other European countries included on your OK list too – Irish? Poles? Germans?

    Just to get it right. But no criticism, however relevant or constructive whatsoever, of any third world/ex colonial country then?

    Get Tone back in right away, you haven’t got a clue as what being a Moderator is.[/quote]

    Er but it seems the place is working as far as it goes. Also the dead hand of the leftie type Socialist censor seems to be surprisingly inactive so please accept a small helping of faint praise

  • Pooter

    Craig Pond, glad you had the wizzo intelligence to jump through all the barriers to simply register yourself – you have haven’t you?

    Hope the others, Barnsey, Gary, Warren, David Jack and his stage partner Shawn manage to get through too.

    It’s a bit like a wartime adventure all this, waiting with baited breath for a posting, telling one that they’ve made it isn’t it?

    Bloody exciting anyway.

  • Potteye

    Thanx. Just for info I claimed………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. £0

  • Potteye

    You’re so sweet Craig…..I didn’t think you cared..Arrrrrr

  • Ian Norris

    Thanks cllr Barnes but what is you point of showing labour to be highest claimers of expensives? Have you never claimed expenses

  • Potteye

    I have just shown the facts and list as it stands – that is it. Somebody asked about expenses – well this is the top ten list – FACT.

    I haven’t claimed at all for the last 4 years at all (i think), nil, nothing, and have claimed virtually nothing before that.

    I am not saying its right or wrong – its just the facts – no judgement – no criticism – its there for others to judge – that’s the list – black and white

  • Potteye

    What I really want to see is the council meetings webcast so that the public can really see what they get for their money. I have been asking for this for the last 6/7 years.

    All too often the BNP councillors have all gone hours before the end. They walked out at the leadership vote etc…

    Most councillors are on 3 or 4 committees. Cllr Marfleet of the BNP is on nothing at all.

    I don’t know about Tony or anybody else who has come to the council, but has Cllr Marfleet ever said anything at all, anywhere, to represent his constituents, because I have not heard it down the civic, not one single word. Can he speak?

    Answers on a postage stamp to ..PnP…

  • Pooter

    [quote=Potteye]

    Answers on a postage stamp to ..PnP…[/quote]

    Ha,ha,ha!! 10/10 for that one I think!

  • Tony Walley

    Seriously, Cllr Marfleet has never spoken at full council in all the time I have covered them. Neither has has Burgess or Sandland.

    The only 2 contributions from the BNP in the last 9.5hrs of council debate have come from Cllr Batkin.

    It is all part of the ploy if you ask me, coming up to an election – say nowt.

    Remember the sketch from ‘Dad’s Army’ when the boys were under interrogation from the SS officer “Vot iss Your Name?” and the reply from Cpt Mainwaring: ” Don’t tell him Pike!”

    It will end in tears I’m telling you…..

  • Ian Norris

    You claimed £162 in 2007-2008 ;) did someone else fill your claim forms in when member of labour group

    So thanks for the FACTS, I just never saw anyone mention exoenses thats all.

    Maybe if Cllr Knapper moved back to Stoke he could reduce his expenses.

    and yes I claimed expense mostly for Faredays and used the Council taxi service

  • Ian Norris

    Webcasting was part of egov what committees have you taken your proposal to?

    Posted from bus :)

  • Mike Rawlins

    The council are looking in to webcasting council meetings apparently.

    We have offered to run a webcast of a meeting for them at no cost to the council…

  • Guest

    That people have a different opinion to you? – it’s all the rage! Maybe you should try it some day!

  • Shaun Bennett

    Nick Griffin has made another massive misjugment I see-now it seems he has said that Gibraltar should be surrendered to the Spanish.

    I think that this is a particularly devastating mistake on his part, because the BNP talk the language of pride in Britain and here he is talking about surrendering British territary to a European challenger. No doubt the BNP would have surrendered the Falklands too!

    So that is now proof positive hat there is nothing patriotic about the BNP. It will also be a very effective argument against them if the main parties choose to use it.

    If the BNP had any sense they’d now be calling for Griffin’s head on a plate.

  • Potteye

    The Head of Democratic Services looked into webcasting some time ago – costed it and visited some others doing it – but then others went cold on the idea and it got buried.

  • Mike Rawlins

    We have made the offer, and even asked if we could ‘just do it’ but alas silence.

  • terry turbo

    Is any of our councilors value for our taxes?
    The question should be are our “officers of the council” worth their excessive pay packets, even the new joker we are paying for?
    They aren’t exactly saving us money are they?

  • Tony Walley

    Terry new joker? the guy hasn’t even started yet – give him a break eh?

  • terry turbo

    Tony, just commenting on the amount of money top earners are taking out of us, and the fact that all our councillors have no need to crow.
    The fact that the councillors cannot get information from these “superior beings” speaks volumes of the contempt they have for the citezens of this city.
    This leaves our councillors without the information to do their job properly, leaving the “common purpose” “officers of the council” in control to do what the hell they like.
    Bad financial decisions can nearly allways be retraced back to their department.

  • terry turbo

    As we are known has Joke-on Trent and have had quite a few jokers in the past just having my own little dig LOL.
    Calm down and watch the ticker LOL.

  • Craig Pond

    Why has this new guy taken the job then, Tony?
    Does he love the city?
    Has he a genuine understanding of the people?
    Or could it be that he’s here to get his grasping mitts on the insane £200,000 salary that comes with his new position?

    Err, now let me think………..

  • Potteye

    Bang on Terry. Smack bang on.

  • David Perry

    My understanding is that Michael Coleman is their only councillor who actually contributes. “Albino” Walker just likes to talk and his wife would like to, and their expenses don’t suprise me much. Batkin’s always been a waste of space. Marfleet, Sandland and that other non-descript chappie are like movie extras, just add to the numbers to a crowd scene. They’re about as much use as Labour.

  • David Perry

    My posts don’t get that treatment, must just be who you are!!

  • David Perry

    Again Pooter I had none of these problems registering. Click, type, clickety-click, job done. Maybe it’s just you?

  • Craig Pond

    That’s what happens when you start spouting off when in possession of limited understanding.

    The BNP have the best ward councilors bar none, but like we’ve touched on before, councillors have two hats to wear, ward councillor and city councillor.
    All but Alby and Mike have been stopped from any meaningful participation in the political life of this city, and their participation is strictly limited.
    Until the bias, self-serving party bullsh*t is taken out of local politics, so decisions are made by what’s best for the city, and not what’s best for the party, things will never change.

  • Warren Lloyd

    Thats right David, John Burgess don’t even bother turn up and Simmonds likes chease more then inportant council meetings.

  • Craig Pond

    Warren,
    for someone who professes to hate the BNP, you spend an inordinate amount of your time talking about them.
    You should concentrate on publicising all the good things Labour have achieved over the past 12 years, that should keep you busy for the next 5 minutes.

  • Warren Lloyd

    Craig, I don’t hate the BNP, I don’t hate anybody, the area I live, like all others,as three members of the council, I have met and talked two of them. The other is John Burgess, I have never seen him, never met him. As for the the area next to mine, the area I would like to represent on the council at some point,yes, Coleman is a fine counciler, as for Simmonds, face it, lame duck, never done a thing. That my thoughts on the matter anyway. If I was Mike Coleman, I’d tell the BNP to sling there hook and go it alown, he’d hold on to that seat if he did that. I can not say how other BNP council members go about representing there wards, but like I say, I have seen 3 at work, and 2 are a utter waste of time. As for Labour, yes I surport my local MP, he happens to be labour, but thats not why I surport him. I surport him becouse I think he represents us well, his party is by the by. I don’t like much of what Labour have done over the years, and the good they have done as been forced on them by the EU. I myself remain Independant of party bol***’s.

  • Craig Pond

    Come on Warren.
    You support your MP, not because he’s Labour, but because of what he does for his constituency.
    OK, what has thatlefty lump of lard done for his constituency, or the city come to that?
    John works where he gets requests to work, he certainly does his fair share.
    This criticism of the BNP councillors is unfair. If you ant them to represent the city, then you have to allow them to participate in the running of it. What you can’t do is cut them out of the loop by deliberatly stopping them from taking part, and then criticise them for not taking part.

  • Warren Lloyd

    No, Craig, I have to disagree with you on the subject of John Burguss, he as had plenty of time to represent the people round hear, and as failed to do so. He don’t even live in the city, never alown the ward he clames to represent. What is the difrance between him and Mike Coleman, both are members of the same party, yet Mike is active within the area, and, I give him this, is a good council member. John is not cut out of the loop, far from it, he as a dreadfull record of attendance of couuncil meetings, and when he atends, apears to show littel interest. The man is getting payed for his time, not doing what he sould do, and when the new wards are voted on, will be removed very fast indeed, ethear by Clive Brian or Margaret Pyatt or by someone other, ie me. As for my surport for Rob, like I say I belive he is a good, commited MP witch the area has always had, and all have been Labour.

  • Shaun Bennett

    Come off it Warren, you won’t be getting onto the council as an independent. You’ll have to stand as Labour to have any chance of that.

    Andf of course, as someone who is DUCKING this next set of local elections so that he can support the Labour candidates, and as someone who is supporting the Labour MP, nobody will take your claims of ‘independece’ particularly seriously when you do discover the balls to stand.

    Come on Warren, fourth place beckons fore you.

  • Warren Lloyd

    No, Shaun, the reason that I’am not running this time is that I would not at the moment be 100% fit and healthy, I would need to be this to give 100% to the people voteing for me. I have never been shy at saying that Labour would be the party witch is nearest to the my way of thinking, but I don’t like some of the things this labour party as done in the near 13 years of power. This is what makes me a totel indepenant, I would not bow to anyone, and put the needs of my ward and the people who live there before any kind of party politics. I don’t like party politics myself, I’m deeply distrustfull of it.

  • Shaun Bennett

    Fine, so you will be voting for the Independent candidate next year and not the Labour candidate then?

  • Warren Lloyd

    I vote for the person I think represents me the best Shaun. If a Intependent ran, and I belived that that person would do a better job, I would vote for them instead. The same would go for for anyone, Tory, Libdem, UKIP, BNP even, but of-course, your to wraped up in praty politics to understand this.

  • Shaun Bennett

    “but of-course, your to wraped up in praty politics to understand this.”

    Well that allegation doesn’t make any sense since others on the site berate me for having not voted for my party in the EU elections. You can’t have it both ways Warren.

    In truth, I don’t really care how you vote, whether you stand for election or who you stand for. In reality, you will lose anyway so it really doesn’t bother me too much.

    But the only reason I have attacked you on this is because you have chosen to become involved in party politics. You have claimd to be Independent but you have publicly stated that you are supporting Labour to keep power at the general election next year and to take control of the council too. So locally and nationally you have allied yourself with Labour.

    Thats fine. But have some honesty and drop this pretence of independence. You are Independent only in so far as you would not be adopted as a Labour candidate. And I predict that on the council, you would vote the same way as your likeminded Labour colleagues.

    Again, you can’t have it both ways. Being ‘independent’ should be more than just a convenient political slogan.

  • Warren Lloyd

    Shaun, if you think the voteing public has any say in who runs this countrey mate, then you are very much misstaken. You vote for who will best represent you, no-one as ever voted for a PM or a govenment. In my mind they are all the damed same. The odds are stacked aganst independants at any level by the money grabing power crazy three ring curcus that is the LibLabCon- good lord, I sound like Pondo.

  • 76

    Exactly! I think the BNP should scrap foreign aid, and to show they are true nationalists: pull out all British interests in those countries who produce cheap consumer goods and/or contain the natural resources needed to make them.

    Then immigrants can return home to the jobs created, freeing up the job market for the honest hard-working indigenous people, and more living space to avoid areas liable to flooding.

    Oh, and happy winter solstice!