Youth Hustings event a great success

Last night I attended the Youth Hustings event organised by the YMCA.

Firstly I’d like to congratulate Nicky Twemlow of the YMCA for organising such a great event for the young people of the city.

The night provided a few surprises, not least the amount of young people who actually turned up. There were far more youngsters there than I expected. In a city that’s supposed to be full of political apathy, these young people demonstrated passion, commitment and most of all, the need to carve out a bright future for themselves and the City.

The Panel consisted of the usual political suspects ““ Rob Flello MP (Labour), Norsheen Bhatti, Conservative PPC, Dr Zulfiqar Ali, current local Councillor and Lib Dem PPC, Matthew Wright representing the TUSC (Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition) and also a PPC, and Professor Mick Temple, who described himself as a “Political Scientist”. The notable absentee was Simon Darby of the BNP, who had the previous day confirmed his attendance but then didn’t show up. I’ll leave it to you to make your own mind up about that one, the young people certainly did.

The Panel were excellently chaired by Mike Sassi, Editor of the Sentinel, who kept the whole thing ticking over and kept the politicians in check, allowing plenty of time for questions from the students themselves. I have a sneaky feeling Mike actually enjoyed the whole event!

Question topics ranged from regeneration and boarded up houses, minimum wage jobs, Higher education tuition fees, public transport, job availability for young people, and even how to fill the leadership void in Stoke on Trent (a great question!)

The one thing that was annoying was the fact that all the politicians at some point turned it into a “party political broadcast”. You could feel the atmosphere in the room change, as the young people switched off. If only they could have kept to the point and engaged with the young people about what’s important to them, it would have been an even better event.

Two things really resonated with me. The first was a quote from Professor Temple, the “Political Scientist”, who said he “had no faith in the politicians who represent this city,” and “the third rate people who stand for councils”. After being pushed on this by Mike Sassi, Professor Temple then went on to say that the only hope for this City is for local, community minded people to stand as councillors, people who care about the community and the people within it, rather than party politics. He suggested local community activists against the BSF programme (Trentham, you know who you are!), would make ideal Independent councillors. I found this quite a shock coming from a political lecturer, advocating community politics instead of party politics. What do you think? Is the only way forward for Stoke on Trent ,to rid itself of party politics?

The second thing that really struck a chord was the amount of passion, drive, ambition and commitment some of the young people had. They want jobs, they want a future, they want to be proud of the city they live in and love. The evening ended with a rousing speech by Danny Flynn, Chief Executive of the YMCA, who told the young people to get out there in the community, volunteer, be part of something, and make a difference.

In the words of one young person, “we need to work together to make things better, if we stick together and have one voice, we can make change”. Not an exact quote, but you get the gist.

Well that sounds great, all we have to do now is get the Council to listen and it will all be fantastic!

I look forward to further Youth Hustings events, and congratulate the YMCA on a great job. I hope they organise this on a regular basis, to give more young people an opportunity to debate the things that matter to them.

Have Your Say

  • http://www.hustings.com Guest

    congragulations to Nicky – sounds like the event was a success. more information on the candidates in the stoke and newcastle constituencies is on new website at http://www.hustings.com.

  • Ian Norris

    There have been many attempts at events, during local democracy week etc.. but this one sounds like a great success.

    Alison Politicians are trained to never stick to the point, never anser the question put put, and to meander answer into an attack on other party or who much they are spending on solution ( even if spending is nothing to do with the question )

    I feel the future of stoke does lie with strong community activists like those involved in BSF and other issues, and that with more smaller wards proposed for the city this will be easier to achieve.

    thanks for report please keep us updated

  • Carrie Martin

    The youth hustings did go very well but there was one big problem with it. The young people in the room ranged from age 11 to 25. This age difference was too big really, the older people in the rooms wanted to talk about leadership voids, regeneration things that really didn’t quite interest the younger people in the room.

    Is the only way forward for Stoke on Trent to rid itself of party politics?
    Well i’ll stick by my answer that I gave to this last night, Lib Dems, Tories you are running the council you can not keep blaming Labour (it has been 9 years since we had control of that council), LISTEN to the people you represent.

    The way forward is not to rid the council of party politics, in fact my opinion is still that the council is too fragmented, partially due to the number of independent councillors. Why? Well I don’t really know what ideology an independent councillor has, I don’t know what on earth they stand for broadly. Standing on a single issue means doesn’t tell me where you stand on all the other issues that you haven’t mentioned in your leaflet. A fragmented council that wont work for the good of the city is no use to anybody.

  • Carrie Martin

    The youth hustings did go very well but there was one big problem with it. The young people in the room ranged from age 11 to 25. This age difference was too big really, the older people in the rooms wanted to talk about leadership voids, regeneration things that really didn’t quite interest the younger people in the room.

    Is the only way forward for Stoke on Trent to rid itself of party politics?
    Well i’ll stick by my answer that I gave to this last night, Lib Dems, Tories you are running the council you can not keep blaming Labour (it has been 9 years since we had control of that council), LISTEN to the people you represent.

    The way forward is not to rid the council of party politics, in fact my opinion is still that the council is too fragmented, partially due to the number of independent councillors. Why? Well I don’t really know what ideology an independent councillor has, I don’t know what on earth they stand for broadly. Standing on a single issue means doesn’t tell me where you stand on all the other issues that you haven’t mentioned in your leaflet. A fragmented council that wont work for the good of the city is no use to anybody.

  • Phil

    Fantastic event.. thanks to all at the YMCA and its partners for putting this on. Enjoyed it loads.

  • Nicky Davis

    This sounds like it was an interesting event. The young are often blamed for lack of interest in politics but these young people seemingly are interested in issues.

    Mick Temple is in favour of local community activists against the BSF programme as councillors. (Trentham, we know who we are!). I have to agree, though the trouble is Trentham community activists mostly have busy full time jobs that do not allow time for the council role. Hopeful of independent option in Trentham though.

    “Is the only way forward for Stoke on Trent ,to rid itself of party politics?” I think it’s the best way forward.

    Carrie “I don’t really know what ideology an independent councillor has, I don’t know what on earth they stand for broadly” The answer to that can be quite simple – representative democracy. And it doesn’t need to be a single issue, in fact it’s going to need to be a range of issues, but with the focus on what local people want and need, not on political party diktat. Who knows what the political parties stand for broadly these days anyway.

  • Long Tall Sally

    Readers might be interested to know what the absentee Mr Darby put on his blog about the Youth Hustings to explain his absence:

    “I had kept it to myself but I was supposed to be debating against various candidates including a Labour MP tonight at Victoria Hall Stoke.

    “I had been told that there would be a police and security operation and that I was to turn up at 6 pm and go through the stage door.

    “At 17:45 I parked on the carpark opposite and observed several Muslim demonstrators and no police at all. Obviously someone had tipped them off and had also told me lies.

    “Stoke BNP councillor Mike Coleman turned up just after 6 and both of us came to the conclusion it was a set up designed to cause confrontation and give me and the BNP a bad local press. Since College Green I simply don’t trust the police at all and with this in mind we decided to abort.

    “They can go ahead and have their fake debate and I’ll go and buy the Daily Mail. Here I will read that my Labour opponent for Stoke Central, Mark Fisher MP, has sensationally pulled out of the race with the resultant slitting of old and new Labour in the process. With this in mind why should I have to take risks and play into the hands of the violent left and their ever-willing friends in the media?”

    What a complete pile of paranoid pants. Just scared he’d be caught out by a few questions from kids smarter than himself (the 11 year-olds, presumably).

  • http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com A Very Public Sociologist

    Darby bottled it because he didn’t have the guts to defend his ideas in front of political opponents and a young audience. Simple as.

  • bernard

    He probably didn’t deliberately stay away, just wasn’t clever enough to remember to come.

  • redmik

    My kids were mainly interested in ISSUES but did realise that some form of organisation is necessary to co-ordinate action on them (and I now have a grandson who is on his School Council, so it may be ‘in the genes’…).

    In 2003 the VIth Form College students who marched to demonstrate against going to war in Iraq were well aware of the arguments – and took a very moral stand on them. My constituency Labour Party did what it could to make its views known and our MP knew this and voted against. (I will send our resolution to anyone interested.)

    In all there were 139 Labour MPs who voted against that war and it was only passed with the connivance of the Conservatives – so it could really be regarded as a ‘Tory War’.

    Today’s issues are many and varied and it is necessary to understand the broad philosophy of every political party to see if it is being consistent with its values and principles in the policies which it adopts. Carrie is quite right on that aspect.

    And behind this is the broad swathe of electorate who are entitled to expect those they elect to be honest in their claims to properly represent the views of their constituents. Sadly the level of ‘political literacy’ is not too high hereabouts and is often distorted by the local media – a case in point being the Sentinel’s support for en elected mayoral system in 2002, which resulted in six wasted years of infighting in the City.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, events such as the recent hustings can help to redress this deficiency. I try my best (as a ‘political education officer’) but there never seems to be the time available to cover the issues in as much depth as we would like. Maybe there are just too many distractions in modern life ?

    Would a new political party be the answer ? Not if it was seen as just another device to safeguard people in the office to which they have been elected. Of course, if it were to be a genuine, community-based party which really meant it when it said “Power to the People” there may be a future for it. Time will tell.

    (Come back Citizen Smith – all is forgiven !)

    redmik

  • Warren Lloyd

    Normal pile of shit from Darby and the BNP then, and if he wants to represent this city as a MP, he might like to start by working out that the Victoria Hall is not in Stoke, its in Hanley. Its avrage for the BNP, paranoid as hell and will not debate unless its on there teams, as there idears are very basic and could be ripped apart by a educated 8 year old with a sence of what is right. Muslim demonsrtaters indeed, so why did he not ring the police or the organisers of the event for assisance, Ill tell you why, becouse he’s lieing though his teeth.

  • Ian Norris

    Redmik : “a case in point being the Sentinel’s support for en elected mayoral system in 2002, which resulted in six wasted years of infighting in the City.”

    Who wasted those years, the sentinel, the elected mayor or the Councillors who were unwilling to work with the system that LOCAL communties had voted for?

    Redmik you call for a community-based party yet appear opposed to a democratic system voted for by those same communties

  • Designation WWCW

    I don’t blame Darby for staying out of it – protesters on the doorstep and no security ? Must have looked like a possible lynching.
    Can’t fault him for having a sense of self-preservation.

    Seems like he’s dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t.

  • Warren Lloyd

    Desingation WWCW, your saying you belive that croch of shit. Like I state, even if there was protesters outside, all the fool had to do was phone the police or the people running the event to ask them for help, the same goes for counciler Coleman to. I ask you, why on earth would anyone set up a confrontation at a event aimed at young people, these people are nuts in the head.

  • Designation WWCW

    Warren, yes he should have called the police ( odd that he didn’t really)
    As for why someone might set up a confrontation- just look around you – there are an awful lot of angry aggressive people who really need no excuse to “kick off”, I despair sometimes. It seems all news is bad lately – where do we go from here ?

  • Tideswellman

    Thing is People would welcome the chance to hear Simon Darby Speak, so question is , why doesn’t he come and do it. Jees, they are always going on about how they are the only party who have got the guts to do something, yet when they have to face questions, time and again they miss the boat.(Pun intended)

  • Ian Norris

    warren think there was some UAF there, but why does this thread need to yet agian be about the BNP? should we thankful this event took place and hope there are many more, maybe for one for all to attend.

  • Designation WWCW

    Good point Ian – any chance that someone could set it up on live web-chat or something – no risks of anyone getting pushed about then and no excuses.

  • sirrontail

    Why did he park on the car-park opposite the Victoria Hall? Why didn’t he park up by the stage door where he was told he would enter? Why even bother parking when “the Muslim demonstrators” were clearly visible from the road leading to the Victoria Hall? As has been mentioned, why didn’t he call the police if he required an escort (there were plenty around, I saw at least two police cars)?
    It sounds to me like Darby is being his typical lying self in attempting to blame the UAF for his fear at facing questions from young people.

    Just to be a bit pedantic – the picture Ian posted isn’t of the UAF, it is the Socialist Party. We weren’t protesting Darby’s appearance on the panel, we were happy for him to be there and for him to expose himself to young people in the audience. We were there supporting the TUSC candidate, Matt Wright, who was on the panel, and we were there to hand out “Youth Fight for Jobs” leaflets; to offer a real alternative, to young people in attendance, to the race to the bottom that the three main parties represent, and to the racism and fascism that the BNP represent.

  • Warren Lloyd

    Ian ‘No to the EDL and BNP for Jobs and Homes’ can’t realy falt that statement realy can you, 99% of the population feel that way to be honnest. I like the idea of the on line web debate to. As sirrontail says, I don’t think anyone would have protested againt the attendance of Simon Darby, only to glad to see him dig himself a grave in full public view I sould think. Another thing, it seems to me very conveaent that the local BNP big wig just happened to be milling around the same carpark, unless he was there to meet him of-course, was counciler Coleman presant at the debate, or was he lurking in the shadows outside snaping away with his beloved Camera.

  • David Perry

    Who’s Simon Darby? Is he impotant? If he’s an ultra-nationalist, probably not.

  • Ian Norris

    designation-wwcw: the website http://www.democracyclub.org.uk/ is monitoring all election material and raising local issues with all candidates.

    Not sure if any candidates would debate online, sure would be a first but difficolt to moderate, 3 local hustings would be interesting

  • sirrontail

    Oh no, the UAF were there protesting his attendance, pointlessly shouting about no platform. It was these that Darby was referring to when he talked about the Muslim campaigners – despite there only being one Asian guy in the UAF crowd.
    Coleman was invited to be in the audience. I didn’t see him inside, but he might have been lurking.

  • Ian Norris

    sirrontail cheers for clearing the various demostrations outside, was just trying to show warren people were leafleting outside.

    and with news that “Labour NEC/Regional Office Suspend Stoke Central Constituency” possible gives Matt Wright an even better chance with old skool labour voters.

  • Alison

    Ian, at the Youth Hustings, Matt Wright didn’t seem to have any answers except 1 stock answer – re-nationalise everything.

    I wonder where the money is coming from to re-nationalise, and are we taking a step back in history rather than moving forward?

    I don’t have the answers, but I don’t think Matt or his party have them either. Just my observations on the night of the Youth Hustings.

  • Warren Lloyd

    Yes, there are things that would benifit from re-nationlising, power surpley for one, but to re-nationalise everything, no, thats just daft talk.

  • sirrontail

    Stock answer? He is a member of the Trade Unionist and /Socialist/ Coalition. Did you expect him to be supporting capitalist solutions to the problems young people face?
    Taking a step back in history? So just because something happened in the past it is a bad thing? Reversing horrendous decision to privatise public services is a bad thing?
    As Matt said in response to Mike Temple’s quip about the “dark days of nationalisation” – “what about the dark days of neo-liberalism?”

  • Ian Norris

    Warren I think our energy supply should be re-nationalised too, even Ofgem are saying that privitisation hasn’t worked.

    But as Alison says where would the funding come from, esp as Labour alledged ‘commitment’ to alternative energy couldnt even keep Vestas open?

  • Guest

    Hi…Thankyou so much for your feedback. Firstly the age range we focused on was 16 – 25 because statistics showed us this was our gap, but I would say its a positive thing if 11 yr olds wish to partake. Secondly we paid for extra security and liased with the police, Mr Darby was our guest and in no way would we wish him or our atendees harm, we spoke with the police daily to ensure everyone was ok. As an advocate of democracy we would never put people in threat, and the police were present throughout the night…thankyou police. Thirdly, anything to get young people to talk is good, so thank you Alison and Mike Sassi and all of the people that supported this, its a start and we had many young people showing they care….lets learn and have the passion to make it matter!

  • http://www.tusc.org.uk/ matt wright

    I thought this was a great event. It really showed young people what they can expect from mainstream politicians at a young age. Bickering and infighting, but essentially just saying the same thing.

    ‘Matt Wright didn’t seem to have any answers except 1 stock answer – re-nationalise everything.

    I wonder where the money is coming from to re-nationalise, and are we taking a step back in history rather than moving forward?’

    I think you’ll find alot of the problems that we face today because of the global recession are because the free market has been alowed to run amok for the past 20 odd years. Once you start nationalising things and running them in the intrests of the many, not the few (managing directors and shareholders) the picture starts to look much different

    And for peoples information there were two seperate groups outside the hall. The UAF, the ones shouting about no platform and the socialist party who were calling for jobs, homes and services, not racism (much more sensible in my oppinion).

    here’s a link to a review we did on the night in it I also answer a few of the questions that I didn’t get a chance to answer on the night.

    http://www.stokesocialistparty.org.uk/?p=122