Staffordshire Police Dispel World Cup Shirt Ban For England Fans

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Rumours have been circulating on Social networking sites such as Twitter & Facebook that police are banning England football shirts in pubs & public places during the World Cup.

Staffordshire Police have joined police forces around the country to dispel these rumours.

Assistant Chief Constable Jane Sawyers, who is co-ordinating the force’s policing operation, said, ‘These rumours emanated from elsewhere in the UK and have spread in recent weeks through social networking sites and text messages. There is no truth in them whatsoever. We want the World Cup to be a safe and enjoyable experience for all our communities, and are urging everyone to play their part to help us reach that goal.’

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  • Bill Cawley

    Of course 4 years ago we had the debacle at Birches Head when the head banned emblems such as the St George Flag. Some one blew the whistle in the media and before long the national and regional media were camped outside the school. Let us hope that some fool somewhere does not emulate the Birches Head fiasco

  • Bill Cawley

    From the Daily Mirror website from May 2006

    Fury as head tells pupils they can’t wear England flag

    A HEAD has banned pupils from bringing the England flag into school despite World Cup fever sweeping through the classrooms and playground.

    Karen Healy ordered a clampdown on badges and stickers with the cross of St George and even told teachers to take them off their cars amid fears they would be linked to far-right groups like the BNP.

    But she caved in after the Mirror intervened yesterday and staff branded the ban “ridiculous”.

    One teacher said: “For somebody to tell me I am not allowed to display my national flag because it may be seen as racist is absolutely disgusting.”

    And angry parent Janet Riley added: “Students and teachers should be allowed to support their national team like everyone else.”

    Ms Healy had sent a memo round the multi-cultural Birches Head High School, in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffs, ordering the ban.

    She wrote: “We will not let students wear flags as these are used by the British National Party.

    “Therefore can we not have flags on our cars if they are on school premises during the World Cup as it could be difficult when children bring flags into school.”

    Ms Healy at first defended her decision. She said: “We would rather people didn’t wear badges of any kind, whether they are Pakistani, Nigerian or Scottish. We can’t be associated with any political party.”

    But when the Mirror called on the head to allow pupils and staff to get into the World Cup spirit with passion, pride and patriotism, she relented.

  • terry turbo

    Does that include First Bus which two of its drivers tried to throw one child off, but did not achieve with another?
    Apparently this was by two of its foreign emloyee’s?

  • David Brown

    Terry Turbo

    Think you need to get up to date on that story as the ever so reliable Sentinel just may have published without checking their source a little more!

    Keep up hey!

  • David Perry

    The story about Sam Fardon being thrown off a bus because the driver refused to let her son on with an England top on is starting to unravel. It started on Day 1.

    It could well turn out to be the local equivalent of when the Daily Mirror published those infamous pictures of Iraqi prisoner abuse. They turned out to be fake and the editor, Piers Morgan, lost his job.

    Firstly Sam Fardon’s character was called into question by a reader posting in the comments section, before the facility was removed from the story. The cynics had their version of why, but apparently a barrage of offensive comments were posted in response to comments along the lines of preferring honest foreigners to dodgy English people (to which I concur). Her criminal past in Swindon was posted for all to see.

    http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/archive/2002/01/12/Wiltshire+Archive/7361044.Cleaner__18__stole_GP_s_cheques_and_cashed_them/

    http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/archive/2002/05/28/Wiltshire+Archive/7349282.Woman__18__in_custody_for_string_of_offences/

    http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/archive/2004/09/22/Wiltshire+Archive/7268522.Woman_stole_from_her_hosts/

    Her character alone is obviously not enough to rubbish the story. What is interesting is that First’s investigation revealed that no driver matching the description she gave was on that route on that day. Now the cycnics might say “well, they’re just saying that”. However, think about it, if a driver has caused offence they have an incentive to deal with the issue to stop any potential reprisals against staff.

    First are saying that no credible witnesses have come forward to back the claims up. It sounds as though the 30+ calls and e-mails they’ve received are from people angry having heard or read the story rather than any actual eyewitnesses. The Sentinel hasn’t come up with any corroborating witnesses either. The latter ideally should have got independent witness statements prior to going to press as printing a story that may turn out to be completely false could have repercussions for the paper.

    The whole flag/shirt business is hysteria. The offence issue is one whipped up by the tabloid media exaggerating isolated incidents. If anything, the only people claiming to be offended are white English (and Scots). You only have to go into Shelton and see Asian lads wearing England tops and driving cars with England flags to see the whole thing is a complete crock of faeces.

  • bernard

    Terry, you’ve got everything on the internet available to you. You don’t have to accept what the Daily Mail says any more, you can find out the real story on websites like that. Tell your boyfriend Mike Coleman you’re not going to listen to him from now on. It’s a whole new world out there.

    With reference to what David Perry says, I saw an Asian wearing a Stoke top in Tunstall yesterday. But unlike him I’m not pleased at this example of integration because I’m Vale!

    http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2010/05/24/getting-shirty/

  • OWD POTTER

    I agree David, I have seen the ‘story’ in the Sentinel, and my first reaction was, what a load of boll*x, I mean, as if?
    and the latest on the story is that the bus company can prove that no ‘foreign’ driver was on that route on that day no witnesses have come forward and the woman in question is “unavailable for comment”
    This case should be thoroughly investigated and if no evidence for this ‘incident’ is found then this woman should be charged with inciting racial hatred, this sort of crap should be stamped on.

    I have been reading some of the many Facebook groups that are spreading this sort of garbage, seems like 3 or 4 new ones vomit out every day, the thing that sickens me the most is the eagerness of some people to believe this crap, they WANT to believe it, you can hear the self righteous indignation in their comments, they are rubbing their hands with glee at some of the ‘reports’ a classic example of mob mentality, I don’t care if it’s true because I want it to be true because it gives me the chance to display my patriotism and it’s a chance to have a rant at ‘foreigners’

    I think it’s also a backlash by the supporters of the BNP after their thrashing in the election, it certainly has the appearance of some sort of organised campaign of lies and rumour spreading, designed to incite tension and hatred,

  • tonyjohnt

    The far right have stirred this rumour so that, through their indignation, they can portray themselves as true patriots and defenders of the flag.

    This lefty scumbag will be draping it from an upstairs window every time England play during the tournament. Should they win it will stay aloft for weeks, if not months.

    Those who believe this nonsense do so because they want to. Do they ask themselves how such a ban could possibly be enforced? It would cause unrest in ordinary times, but during the world cup!!! Don’t they think the FA would have waded in if there was an atom of truth in these b******t stories?

    Once the tournament is over they’ll move on to some other scare story in the hope of breeding fear, resentment and division. The imagined attack on the greedfest of Christmas is one that never fails.

  • David Perry

    Agreed, if this woman’s story turns out to be a fabrication, charges should be brought against both her and The Sentinel for incitement. Looking at the various things she was prosecuted for in Swindon it strikes me she may well have made the whole thing up hoping to get some money. We’ll see.

  • David Perry

    The PCF site is ablaze over this story. It looks like all three members can’t contain their excitement as they think they’ve got something to really stir up their dislike of foreigners and get their teeth stuck in.

    http://www.thepotteriescommunityfederationpcf.com/2010/05/thin-end-of-wedge.html

    http://www.thepotteriescommunityfederationpcf.com/2010/05/fw-first-bus_26.html

    They really have no desire to question the validity of the story given that it sits with everything they believe.

  • OWD POTTER

    They really LOVE it don’t they? cretins the lot of em,
    see I will be flying my flag when the world cup is on, I always have and always will.
    it’s just a shame that some of the knuckle draggers will think I am making some sort of show of support for their twisted outlook, but at least I know why I fly it,
    I am NOT going to let them take MY flag and use it for their racist views,
    we should have a take back the flag campagin,

  • Designation WWCW

    To be hoped that if it is garbage then she does get prosecuted.
    How’s that for your 15 minutes of fame ? Come up with a rubbish story and wind a load of people up.
    It’s about time so-called adults start acting the part.

  • Bentilee exile

    Couldnt agree more with this; wouldnt argue with the same Asian lads supporting Pakistan/India/whoever at cricket then England/Brasil/Vale (?) for football either. Its football and it doesnt matter.
    Interesting where the people on the bus have gone with our Wiltshire wanderer though,,, were they wearing football shirts themselves?

  • Tideswellman

    Let’s not get sucked into giving them the oxygen of publicity eh?

  • Andi

    Back to the article of England shirts and pubs ……it was the met (in march this year) that were advising publicans on “dress code restrictions” ie:- the wearing of football shirts ( no specific team ) when there was football being screened on the premises and people have added their own spin to make the story what it is .

  • David Perry

    Quite right.

    Unfortunately certain media have taken this story one step further and said only England shirts in an attempt to incite whatever.

    Facebook groups have sprung up on the subject in the wake of it. Most of them take the line of “find my england shirt offensive? I find your turban offensive”.

    So we’ve gone from pub dress codes and football tops regardless of team to mean England shirts being banned to overt racial hatred.

    What I want to know from this government is when the press are going to brought to heal over stories that are blatantly false and inciteful?

  • David Perry

    I doubt the picture will give them any positive publicity.

  • bernard

    Well that’s perfectly understandable, to avoid fights. How many “home fans only” signs have we seen in our time? Personally I quite like having opposing fans come into the Bull’s Head, apart from that time against Shrewsbury when a load of them were there and it got crowded, but to avoid chavs breaking out firms have banned football shirts, understandable when you look at what might happen in places like Weathershites in Hanley.

    It was then fabricated because it would sell copies amongst numbskulls like the BNP contingent here.

  • Stokie Boy

    I’ve just looked at the PCF site and saw this wich made me laff lots.

    http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7042/pcf1280800.jpg

  • bernard

    The real reason Pondy is so irate is that he hates the fact the bus driver has a job, whereas he himself is too lazy and stupid to work.

  • David Perry

    Almost as funny as the BNP having it’s membership mag printed in Slovakia.

    Already mentioned that the comments facility was pulled from the original Sam Fardon story. It was never made available for the story about First’s investigation. It seems not only was there a problem with offensive comments but a number of posts were seriously undermining the story’s validity (or lack of) which made the paper unhappy. Maybe they should investigate stories more thoroughly rather than relying on the word of someone of dubious character. Outwardly it does look as though the story went to press without any eyewitness statements to back it up.

  • David Perry

    The ear ring looks a little camp. Odd given his rampant homophobia.

  • David Perry

    As if by magic someone else has climbed on the bandwagon. Here’s a similar story from Weymouth in the Dorset Echo. Again, looks like the story went to press without any other eyewitnesses being interviewed. Again, an investigation has revealed no substance to the allegations.

    http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/8183411._Policeman_told_me_not_to_wear_England_shirt___claims_woman/

    If anything this footie shirt hoax seems to be getting the compo brigade out the closet. At least The Sun has done the decent thing and admitted the shirt ban was a hoax.

  • Warren At Work So Can’t Log In

    Its a sack of shit made up by the gutter press of the Star and the Sun to sell there too bit sacks of crap. As for the local story, find the people who stuck up for the lady on the bus and we will belive her. Untill then, and with Frirt saying that no driver fiting the deription she gave them was on that route, or any of the other routes in the area that day,it looks prity much like shes a liying little cow. Bannning of England shirts, no, people are makeing millions selling all sort of stuff to do with the world cup, why ban it, utter bollocks, everyone knoes it.

  • terry turbo

    Bernard, it did not come from the mail, it came from the Evening Sentinel.
    With this sign at the end of the sentance I was just posing a question, not making a statement.

  • terry turbo

    Bernard, it did not come from the mail, it came from the Evening Sentinel.
    With this sign ? at the end of the sentance I was just posing a question, not making a statement.

  • Warren Lloyd

    OMG, what is Mr. Pond on, I brought up that photo and the dog ran into the garden and brought its tea back up. Putting the fear of god into Polish bus drivers be blown, I won’t sleep tonight now, its very worrying indeed. Anyone remember a wrestler, name of the Mighty John Quinn, must have been in the late 70s I think. He said he was from Canada or the USA, mind you, Klondike Kate tryed that stunt for a wile, and she was from round hear, I use to see her shoping in Kwik Save in Longton. He- John Quinn that is- use to get in the ring saying the English were whips and shit at everything, then get battered by Big Daddie. Went on for weeks on end up Hanley, well Pondo looks just like him, think he had bad knees to, well he did after Big Daddie jumped on them.

  • Warren Lloyd

    The comment on the Sentinals site where stoped just after I had done on of my flying vists there, informing them I thought that they had, with that crock of crap,stooped as low as the Sun and Star. I also informed them that all three publications set you back no more then 85p to 90p on a weekday, witch is what you pay for a proper NEWSPAPER, this need told a lot about the contents of such cheep publications.

  • David Perry

    The same story was in both papers who are owned by the same people. Keep up please Terry.

  • David Perry

    And as usual blindly believing anything bad about foreigners and non-whites. Too transparent by far. Why don’t you go back to Pondo’s site and post a short sharp “great article Craig, can I lick your bum please Craig”.

  • OWD POTTER

    I am sick and tired of falling out with idiots over this issue,
    NONE of them can be bothered to even do the smallest bit of research into the validity of these stories before they start spouting off with their thinly veiled racist tripe,
    the long and short of it is they WANT it to be true,
    there are pubs etc who refuse entry to people in FOOTBALL shirts, probably because they had trouble with people wearing FOOTBALL shirts at one time, and as usual it is far easier to tar everyone with the same brush, than it it is to treat everyone as an individual,

    I am a life long motocyclist and I wish I had a quid for everytime I have been refused entry to a pub for NO other reason than my chosen form of transport,
    I just put it down to pig ignorance and prejudice and NOT immigration,

    I posted this link on one of the facebook pages,

    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/05/25/police-finally-deny-england-shirts-were-ever-banned/

    and got told that it was “all lies” and they ARE banning the wearing of England tops and the flying of the flag,
    what can ya do?

  • Warren Lloyd

    I don’t know whats getting into some people. If its in the Star its got to be true. No, if its in the Star, you can bet its about Jorden, The Beckhams, Cage Fighting, John Terry, its a lie or indeed all 6 of them.

  • David Perry

    Police forces across the country are issuing statements to the effect that no shirt ban was ever intended. This is a waste of police resources when they could be doing other things, like catching bad guys.

    It’s time the papers were held to account. They should be billed for all the time wasted by the police in defusing this situation, one that the papers initialised.

    Apparently, this is how the story about the shirt ban goes. Once upon a time there was a Met Police officer in Croydon. One day, back in March, he decided to offer some advice to bars in his area about how to reduce aggro on match days. So he wrote a letter to them. He suggested they introduce a dress code for punters on match days. He advised that they should think about not allowing people in wearing ANY kind of football top. At no time did he mention England or any nationality’s top, just footie tops in general, and it was only a suggestion. It just so happened that a wicked journalist heard about what he’d advised and thought “I know, I’ll spin this so my paper can sell more copies”. The wicked journo and his megalomaniac proprietor soon got to work. Within days everyone believed that the police were going to ban people from wearing England footie tops. Soon, PC Plod was very baffled. “Why do people think we’re going to ban England footie tops and flags?” he asked, all confused. “I don’t know, but I could hazard a guess” said his Inspector “those naughty journos have been at it again. Cripes, it’s bad enough when the goblins try nicking Noddy’s car. There’s only one thing for it, the ACCs in every force are going to have to issue statements assuring the public it’s not true.” Sure enough, statements from ACCs were issued. “Drat” said one of the media moguls “the people will know the truth now”. So in a fit of damage limitation his paper ran a story confirming the ban was a hoax. And they all lived happily ever after, including Big Ears who didn’t have to endure Noddy’s sh*t driving because the Goblins still had his car. Well, all except those far-right nationalistic pr*cks who cried because it gave them one less reason to hate people who weren’t like them. The End.

  • Mike Rawlins

    While the picture of the PCF site is funny, and I’m sure Craig would see the irony of it, lets not get involved in slagging him off and calling him names please.

  • Warren Lloyd

    Once upon a time in the land north of Hanley lived the brave knight Sir Pondo.
    This brave sole heard of a Maden in distress in a far away land, the good lady Dame Sam Farden of Newcastle, the former Dutchess of Witshire. She clamed to honded form a public transport system by a Polish Oger, anrgy at the honnest lady for alowing her first bone to sport the red and white of his country of birth.
    The only thing that saved the good lady were disapearing norks, who live on the transport system in the day. They calmed the Oger, and convinsed him to let the good lady, with her first and second born to travel on the system.
    Sir Pondo was maddend so much about this, he wanted to do something, but haveing bad knees, and the looks of a failed 70s Wrestler, he could not leave his cottage, what was he to do.
    He got one of his manslaves, Copey not of Blurton, to use a new fangeled tool called a Camera to make a pictore of him, I put it on the world wide notice board called the pcf website, witch is the fount of all knollage. Ensured that this, and a few well placed insults, would deture the Oger form doing such a dreadfull thing again, Sir Pondo was happy.
    At the same time the Fat Controler of the Transport system, the owner of the trusty steed, the No.26 Newchastle to City Center via Stoke, Fenton, Longton, Meir, Bentelle and Townsend,also know as the grand ture, one Dick Terpin, told the people that there was no presense of the Oger on the transport system on the day the good Lady Sam said she was traveling.
    It seemed as though she had been taken over for a few moment by one of two thing, the Daydream snoggel, or the utter fibbing witch, witch made Sir Pondo look very silly indeed.
    Goond night children, Good night.

  • Designation WWCW

    Well said that man, I was somewhat gobsmacked when I saw the thread seemed to have changed to a personal attack on a commenter. I expected better from the people on here.

  • Ian Norris

    Warren : why not listen to mike rawlins and tideswellman

    http://pitsnpots.co.uk/news/2010/05/staffordshire-police-dispel-world-cup-shirt-ban-england-fans#comment-27860

    This is nation wide, the Mirror,daily mail, metro

    http://news.google.co.uk/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&cf=all&ncl=dfFlE8Qq7J6wVPMgggIAmQcGnv07M

    Sure PFC got excited by this news, just like anti BNP got excited about certian type of salutes.

    and all will take advantage of whatever is published, is any better then the other for this, NO

    Urban Mythes are what they are, remember the one about hypos on cinema seats? and i’ve sure you recieved many by email, maybe you’ve even forward some to all your contacts?

  • tonyjohnt

    Batkin’s cohorts giving the nazi salute was no urban myth Ian. Unless pnp and the Sentinel have taken to doctoring photographs.

    My objection to that image was not political opportunism. It was genuine anger and disgust at such a blatant insult to a generation that gave everything for me and my children… the second world war and, dare I say it, the holocaust were no urban myths either.

  • David Perry

    Ian, the difference is the Batkin salute incident was caught on camera whereas the shirt ban was nothing more than a rumour disseminated by unscrupulous media barons. This seems to the trend. If a story about the far-right comes to light they try and rubbish it as hearsay and when it turns out to be true (usually is) they then moan about being toothcombed by leftie journos. However, most stories like this, and relating to minorities or the EU have a tendency to vary from greatly exaggerated isolated incidents to, as in the case, outright untruth.

  • terry turbo

    Designation WWCW, these personal attacks are usual from the same quarters.
    While I agree politics can get verbal I do not accept that certain “people” seem to justify personal attacks on others as part and parcel of an argument.

  • David Perry

    Your boyfriend was the worst culprit which was why he got banned. Talk about copper calling the kettle black. Still believe the bus story Terry? Or the shirt ban? You lot really were hoping it was all true weren’t you. Any excuse to hate.

  • tonyjohnt

    Terry, you excel yourself!

    To bemoan personal attacks by “people” (in inverted commas) in the same breath is… well, truly breathtaking.

  • Ian Norris

    Maybe the reason First were unable to trace any Eastern European driver on that was because he was lost :)

    http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Pupils-helped-lost-bus-driver-way/article-2215510-detail/article.html

  • terry turbo

    See what I mean, you blame Craig when he is not even posting.
    I could answer at your level but gutter language is not my style.
    “Any excuse to hate” the hates comming from you.

  • terry turbo

    Tonyjohnt, I refered to “people” to let other posters make their minds up themselves,and not pointing out the culprits.

  • tonyjohnt

    If that’s your level Ian, may I recommend the Sentinel website?

    They’ve got a very active thread concerning the workshy (3 weeks of a Tory PM and there’s no such thing as the jobless, unemployed or vulnerable anymore) which I reckon would be right up your street.

    Afterall, after foreign workers indigenous scroungers must be high on the “little list”.

  • tonyjohnt

    In which case Terry, no need for the inverted commas at all. It’s a bugger grammar isn’t it?

    It’s all Greek to me!

  • Ian Norris

    tonyjohnt, sorry you’ve lost me there “workshy” “little list” ?

  • tonyjohnt

    Your inferences Ian. “foreign driver gets lost”, photographic evidence is urban myth, people of conviction are political opportunists…

    Sorry, but you’ve lost me.

  • Ian Norris

    tonyjohnt: I said all groups use any media coverage to their advantage, to attack another group they disagree with.

    A lot of people believe what is printed as fact, how does one tell fact from fiction?

    I posted a link to a story of lost Polish Bus Driver is that fact or Fiction, Kind of a challenge to you to disprove the Media Barons side of things that Polish Drivers cant follow a map?

    Is bus story Fact or Fiction, over to you to decide

  • tonyjohnt

    Could be fact, could be fiction. I know plenty of folk who drive and struggle with maps. Why raise his ethnicity?

    I’m sure all nationalities encompass those who can and those who can’t follow maps.

    The Polish fighter pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain certainly didn’t seem to struggle with navigation. I doubt, therefore, that it is a genetic trait.

    Shock, horror… a stupid Pole got a job. Therefore, all Poles who get a job are stupid! It’s called a syllogism Ian and it’s very poor reasoning.

  • Ian Norris

    Could be fact, could be fiction. exactly who knows what press prints is truth or fiction.

    But you attack PCF, BNP for believing the media, as I said most people believe media.

  • terry turbo

    Ian, its a case of attack anybody that is a member of the BNP or PCF, on any case.
    As is the ruling of the NUJ.
    “Hang on is it not the case that this story was wrote by a member of this body?
    I (as chairman of an R/A)organised a fun day in Tunstall last sunday, and we had an Asian volleyball team playing on the same field, and Asians playing in our football team which “everybody” supported.
    The whole community had a great day.
    Oh by the way, I invited our local councillor (who I have a great deal of respect for) Mr Matloob to open the Fun Day for us.

  • Warren Lloyd

    What I’m trying to prove hear Ian is that there is not truth of anything ever happening, its all just old billshit, people are jumping on it and prostering for there own ends, regardless of the problems it may start. It seems f**k headed silly people want to belive this sort of tripe to make themselfs the victem. We know that is a ploy that the BNP have used time and time again. It stinks, and anyone found perpertrating sutch old B*****ks, of any kind, for whatever reason, sould be delt with by the law, and it would not matter to me what race they are. Oh! and please watch as you get England flags for your car, the cheeper one an’t very good, I’m finding broken ones all over the place, and lord knows what one would do if it hit a Motercycelist.

  • David Perry

    The same way you guys keep attacking people you believe to “communists” because they espouse racial equality.

    The latter stuff about Asians, did you tell them you’re a BNP activist and that your party wants them and their “desert” religion out of this country?

    As chairman are you the only person with any say? Or as I suspect there’s some sort of committee and got you to invite councillor Matloob against your own judgement?

    How can you as a BNP/PCF activist have any respect for anyone Asian? It goes against what the groups stand for. Do you think we were born yesterday. If is genuine then you’d renounce any involvment with these overtly racist organisations. Oh, and was Craig foaming at the mouth when he found out because we know his views on Matloob and Asians in general.

    If you don’t want to be seen as racist, don’t get involved with groups that clearly are.

  • David Perry

    As I’ve mentioned earlier force by force the police are issuing statements to the effect that no shirt or flag ban was ever intended. So because of some irresponsible journalism pandering to the fact that a large section of the population thrive on this sort of thing the police are wasting resources.

    The scary thing is it would appear there are alot of people who were hoping that it was true. The same people who are always hoping for things to banned because it offends minorities. Who are we talking about? The extreme nationalists who get a kick out of these things because it increases their support. And they have the cheek to say the papers are against them depsite them peddling rumours like this.

  • terry turbo

    The Asians, and Mr Matloob (I stood against him in an Election) know where I stand politicaly, fortunately they are not as narrow minded as you and some others.
    At the next fun day I invite you and anyone else to come to see if I am telling the truth.
    As for the drivel that I want “them and their desert religion out of this country” I have stated my case on that point many times on this site and my stance has not changed.
    I was taught to respect by my parents and I have taught my children the same.
    Also I have taught them to never prejudge anyone by their religion, race or politics, judge the person.
    Where do you get off telling me to renounce my political beliefs, because it does not suit your ideolagy?
    Craig came down and had a long conversation with Mr Matloob, ask him yourself, “you know where to find him”.

  • terry turbo

    Warren,nobody from the BNP has claimed this as true,and the only place I have seen it is the Sentinel.
    I pose two questions about its validity and people assumed I was making a statement.

  • terry turbo

    Warren,nobody from the BNP has claimed this as true,and the only place I have seen it is the Sentinel.
    I pose two questions about its validity and people assumed I was making a statement.

  • leachylee

    Wouldn’t it be a nice if everyone told the truth or would it, imagine politicians – sales people – the man on a night out who takes his wedding ring off – the list could go on & on, would the world be a better place ?, as for story of the child not been allowed on the bus who do we believe Samantha Fardon or the bus company I don’t know.

  • David Perry

    That’s probably because your use of grammar and punctuation made it look thus. Your right the BNP haven’t claimed it’s true. In fact they’ve been very quiet on the whole issue of tops and flags. However, the PCF have made it clear on Craig’s blogsite that the whole thing was true, and at no point has the validity of the bus story been questioned. I’m also curious about the stance on The Sentinel, reputable if it prints a story in your favour, a rag if it doesn’t.

  • Warren Lloyd

    I didn’t say the BNP where involved Terry, I said that it looked like the tactics the BNP would us, spreading half truths, heatred and faer to there ends. Most police forces in the country have now commeted that the T-shitrs, flags and lord knows what other red and white tat there is, are not banned. My empolyer are in-fact surplying us with hats, flags, them hooters, and no end of stuff, free, to give it the large one and get behind the football team, if we want.

  • Ian Norris

    [quote=Warren Lloyd]What I’m trying to prove hear Ian is that there is not truth of anything ever happening, its all just old billshit, [/quote]

    Have you taken your concerns that daily mail, the mirror, Daily star and the sentniel have all published an incorrect story to the Press Complaints Commission? That’s who need to deal with these sort of issues.

  • Warren Lloyd

    In-fact, no I have not Ian, reason being, I’ve got better thing do with my time then bitch about this old nonsence at a country wide level. The papers are out to make a few bucks, but not out of me, I don’t pay to read the Mail, Mirror, Sun, Star or indeed the local old rag. Reading that free on line and then puting the wind up the bloke in charge of the comments is far more entertaning then paying to read the rubbish.

  • terry turbo

    If you want to complain about a story from the press being used in a blog go to the person who wrote it and complain, not snipe where they can’t answer back.
    You know where to go to debate with him.
    As for “my grammer and punctuation made it look thus” you read into it what you wanted.

  • David Perry

    Not complaining, merely pointing out a fact. Why do I need to address it with the author when you commented on it wholehearted agreeing. All I can see coming from you now is some serious backpeddling. I didn’t read into it the way I wanted, I read it the way it was written, is that so hard for you to understand? Yes, it probably is!!!!

  • terry turbo

    Nobodys backpeddling, its not me thats sniping.
    Anyway like all story’s Craig has moved on, but he will still answer you.

  • terry turbo

    “Serious backpegddling” like I said “you read it the way you wanted” don’t blame me for your interpretaion.
    “is that so hard for you to understand? Yes, it probably is!!!!

  • Designation WWCW

    Odd also that the media jump on it so eagerly and use it to sell their papers – thus profiting from causing panic and upset, therefore they are as guilty of panic-mongering as the rest.
    Also, on a purely cynical note, I can’t help but wonder how many “extra” England shirts were sold because of this “story”.

  • Warren… at work, so can’t log in.

    SAM FARDEN IS A LIAR, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT…… yep! firstbus has found her complaint to be untrue, she as now retracked it. She did bring a wittness forward, but they told a very diffrent story of what went on, not been made pubic what they said, but the bottem line, so fibbed, for what ever reason and the only thing she can come out with is ‘I still use the bus’.

  • Fartybumpants

    Does this mean Terry will apologise for jumping on the bandwagon? Or will his mate do likewise on his PCF blog? Very doubtful.

  • David Jack

    Just as the story in Wolverhampton about a pensioner being forced by the police to remove a union jack from the front of his house, total bollocks…..what the police forced him to remove was a flag with the offensive words ‘fu@k off p@k!s’ written all over it. (And no, i didn’t write it nor is he a friend, relative or acquaintance of mine Shaun before you start)

    Lets get the stories straight, no one can ban the flag of England or the flag of the union, its pure, utter bollocks and something the BNP and other far right knobs are stirring up to justify their sorry little existence.

    Wear your England tops, fly your flags with pride, but don’t come talking crap when you get arrested for drunk and disorderly or bound over to keep the peace when you are off on one and blame the flag as the reason why.

  • David Jack

    Just as the story in Wolverhampton about a pensioner being forced by the police to remove a union jack from the front of his house, total bollocks…..what the police forced him to remove was a flag with the offensive words ‘fu@k off p@k!s’ written all over it. (And no, i didn’t write it nor is he a friend, relative or acquaintance of mine Shaun before you start)

    Lets get the stories straight, no one can ban the flag of England or the flag of the union, its pure, utter bollocks and something the BNP and other far right knobs are stirring up to justify their sorry little existence.

    Wear your England tops, fly your flags with pride, but don’t come talking crap when you get arrested for drunk and disorderly or bound over to keep the peace when you are off on one and blame the flag as the reason why.